Public assistance drug tests pass the KS House

Oh, what a slippery slope Kansas is poised upon.

Rep. Kelley innocently asks “Shouldn’t you only be fearful is you are using?” By that logic, innocent, law-abiding citizens should not object to random searches of their homes and other state-sponsored activities that violate the Fourth Amendment.

Are people on public assistance any more likely to be using drugs than the rest of the population? Probably not. Even if they are, wy not tie the drug test to the issuance of drivers licenses? The logic could be the same -- it meakes sure people won't be driving while using and besides -- we only want to help people! This program would be even more effective than the one being contemplated because it would test a greater portion of the population.

The government may be allowed to put strings on its benefits, but there has to be a limit. I think the Constitution is an excellent place to draw the line.

Humbly submitted,

Tiberius the Calm

for drug tests that have a 5% false positive rate.

As soon as your grandmother tests positive for cocaine you'll understand why this is wasted money.

Good job of legislators making sure that TAXPAYERS are getting what they are paying for....drug-free public assistance.

You can be sure the liberal bong-pong crowd doesn't want that.

I really doubt this bill will pass and even if it does it will probably be killed by the courts, but it's about time someone began to take back control.

Nobody complains about their constitutional rights when they have to pee in a cup for a State or Federal job, so why should this be a problem?

The welfare system in this country has become a runaway train. Assistance is no longer given by need, it's given by request. People would be forced to be more responsible for their actions if they knew they didn't have the American taxpayer to fall back on. Many illegals don't come to this country for our jobs, they come hear for our welfare.

Now just if we can keep those on assistance out of the casinos too.

That drug users get bounced from the dole. If you are collecting assistance what is wrong with the requirement that you are drug free?

There is not a 5% false positive rate either, the reality is with a medical review officer there are no false positives.

Hell she is giving them 3 strikes..... I would not have been so kind. It is interesting to listen to people gripe about this.......almost as much fun as the dummies who get canned for drugs then think they are going to collect unemployment!

I am okay with taking a drug test when you get or renew your drivers license.

If you have to pee in a cup to get a job to pay the taxes these people live off, then why can't they pee in a cup to keep sucking off the government teat!

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money!

“We do not have the right to assume that poor people are more likely than the rest of us to take illegal drugs".

That is disengenuous bull. If this guy doesn't realize that he's not fit for office.

I guess tax credits and tax breaks aren't considered 'assistance' otherwise every person in KS would need to pass a drug test.

Nope, this is to get addicts into treatment. Poor addicts that is.

you understand about the false positives no one talks about.

I didn't believe it either until it happened to people I know well enough to know they aren't on drugs. One was a 60 year old grandmother.

So no, I don't agree with spending $800,000 to falsely identify drug abusers.

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The court determined in Marchwinski v. Howard that the drug test failure rate for welfare recipients was 8%, the same as the rest of the population in general.

Even in government JOBS drug tests cannot be compelled unless the job involves a safety or security issue (i.e. security clearance or public transportation operator), or there is reasonable suspicion.

Consider this information from the 2005 DHHS report to Congress regarding welfare (found at http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/indicators05/):

In 2002, 59% of recipients recieve 25% or less of their household income from welfare benefits, while only 24.2% recieve greater than 50%, and only 15.9% receiving greater than 75%.

In 2002, 58% to 60% of people receiving benefits have at least one family member working at least part time, with 33% to 34% of recipients having at least one family member working full time.

In 2001, 70.6% of recipients with no one working were only on welfare for a stint of 12 months or less, while only 14.9% would receive for more than 20 months.

For a 10 year period ending in 2000, 51% of recipients recieved benefits only did so during 1-2 of those years (not necessarily during the whole 1-2 years, but at some point during those 1-2 calendar years). Only 18.3% recieved benefits for 5 or more of the 10 calendar years, and only 3.8% for 9 or more of the 10.

For the period of 2001-2003, 50.3% of recipients entering the system did so in association with a loss of monthly income of $50 or more, and only 34% leaving the system did so in association with an increase in income of $50 or more.

Considering that the majority of people who's you think you're supporting are getting less than 25% of their support from you for a stint of less than 12 months, are unlikely to do it again in the next 8-9 years, and only did so because of a loss of income (read: lost job/wages), I'd hardly think you could claim them as dependents. I guess if people have no problem lumping all of these people in with the gross minority that are actually drug using welfare dependent lifers, that's your perogative. You and I must have significantly different definitions of compassion, human dignity, and respect for individual rights. Either that or people really need to educate themselves as to the reality of the welfare situation, rather than just assuming every recipient is the ghetto leech you probably picture sitting on his front porch drinking beer or popping out babies keep your money rolling in.

apply for their tax incentives, TIFs, tax rebates, tax abatements, tax cuts, etc., etc. have to take a lie detector test all thru the process and we could see how many of these bandits would be actually eligible to the handouts. If they want assistance then I want to make sure they aren't lying through their teeth like I think they are. There are takers in every niche of our society but I hate what the the big boys do more than all the rest.

I am shocked that so many people are okay with this blatant attempt to pry into people's private lives. There are numerous prescription medications that can cause a positive result on a drug test. I learned this as an HR Manager at my last job before I got laid off due to the economy. People who have cancer or chronic pain conditions are often prescribed opiate based pain killers, those with bi-polar disorder may take benzodiazapenes to control their condition. I for one do not feel I should be obligated to share my PERSONAL, PRIVATE, PROTECTED health information with anyone other than my doctor. If I tested positive for opiates I would then have to choose betwee telling a caseworker my private health history or going through rehab, when I don't have a problem. What about states where medicinal marijuana is legal, but it is still illegal when you are drug tested for employment purposes? Should a cancer patint not be allowed to take a prescribed medication because it would mean they could not get food stamps to feed their children. There are drastic remifications to the insinuation that people on unemployment or public assistance use drugs. I was employed for almost ten years, when the economy got bad my job was considered expendable. I now receive both unemployment and food stamps and resent the assumption that I am more likely to be a drug addict than the owner of some fortune 500 company. I performed drug testing at my job and was the subject of random screening as well and never once failed a drug test. Now suddenly becuse our economy is struggling and I need help to feed my family as a single mother to five children I should be assumed more likely to waste what little income I have on illegal drugs?! It's an appaulling assumption and I hope the bill makes it no further!

with Obama's digital medical records and socialized health care, where the government will have 'health coordinators' deciding what treatment is best for you (based on age and other factors) instead of your actual doctor(s).

I do believe having public assistance is needed for many; however I also see on a daily basis this system being abused. The original program was to help those in need get back on their feet, however too many times the program is abused. It is amazing how many people will work harder to find someone else to pay their way, rather than get a job and pay their own way.

I know many people will say...but they can't get a job in this day and age...but this isn't a problem that just started. The assistance program hasn't worked for many years. People abuse the system! I for one want to make sure if a person REALLY needs assistance it is available for them.

I could at any moment have to give a drug test for my job. How is this any different for someone seeking assistance from the state?

The 'T' stands for 'Temporary'. It's kind of hard to take advantage of temporary aid.

Now just how do you see people "every day" taking advantage of the piddly amount of aid they get? Inquiring minds want to know.

I know many people will say...but they can't get a job in this day and age...but this isn't a problem that just started. The assistance program hasn't worked for many years. People abuse the system! I for one want to make sure if a person REALLY needs assistance it is available for them. voucher code | promotion codes are more important than ever to people trying to save money on their shopping online.Such as New Look Voucher Codes | Asda Voucher Codes | Tesco Voucher Codes | Adobe Coupon Codes | Expedia Coupons|Newegg coupon codes|Musicians Friend Coupon Codes and Kohls Coupon Codes A minute or two online can save you big money.

The House gave first-round approval Tuesday to a bill that requires drug testing of Kansans who participate in four state public assistance programs.
After a lengthy debate on the House floor, representatives endorsed House Bill 2275. If it is approved on a final vote Wednesday, the bill would still need to be adopted by the Senate and signed by the governor to become law.

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For me, this measure is but normal and is for the benefit of every individual. The purpose is noble and should not be debated unless there is a hidden agenda. In general, this will discourage doing bad things particularly drug taking. The money of the people should be spent wisely and this is one measure to fulfilling it.
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