Brownback questions Catholicism of foes, says "real Catholics need new voice"

So, we have read on these pages outrage at people who campaign as "African-Americans" or "Irish-Americans" or "Italian-Americans."

I did not know of anyone who has said vote to me because I'm a Catholic-American.

Apparently, I'm wrong.

So, all of those who don't like hyphenated Americans are really, really angry at what Brownback is trying to do, right?

NOT the hyphenated "pseudo-Catholics" but real Catholics that stand by the tenets of the Church.

But what's the diference between the identity politics the conservatives tell us is bad (African-American, Islam-American, gay-American, female-American, etc.) and the Catholic-American identity that Sen. Brownshirt is trying to stir up? Seems like there's just a touch of hypocrisy here.

It doesn't sound like he's questioning their faith - but, instead, criticizing their rabid support for abortion, which runs contrary to Christian teaching since the 1st Century.

These politicians publicly tout their faith - but then act/vote against one of it's basic moral principles. They're the one's in need of scrutiny...not Senator Brownback. Good job Senator!

Speaking of "real" Catholics - it sounds like the Pope just told Nancy Pelosi this week exactly what it takes to be one:

"all Catholics, and especially legislators, jurists and those responsible for the common good of society, to work in cooperation with all men and women of good will in creating a just system of laws capable of protecting human life at all stages of its development.”

Why can't these abortion-crazy politicians get it through their head?

Mary Clanahan

abortion and gays. At least that's what I remember of my parochial schooling.

Brownback and his fellow zealots can have the church if that's the direction it's heading.

Is about understanding the difference between right and wrong.
Even though the church is populated with imperfect human beings, they ultimately try to hold to a higher standard, a higher purpose of opposing our lesser natures.
The Catholic Church offers hope of salvation from ourselves.

And raising my religion to help further a political view is I am sure not what my God thinks is a proper use of his name or purpose.

By the way, how have those war votes been justified. Isn't there a Commandment or two being broken. Or honest families losing their homes and fortunes while you were on the watch.

Please don't try to tell me I'm not Catholic enough sir.

I think God would want us to change the world we live in to a better world. Politics is just another of the many tools we have at hand.
Why can't we use that tool?

He is doing it to be able to advance his agenda - whatever that may be (one can only guess).

I am sure that I could knock Sam for not tithing enough or volunteering with widows and orphans or spreading the gospel of tolerance among all of Gods children - this includes gay people Mr. Beyer.

When politics and religion are mixed - and make no mistake that is exactly what he is trying to do - bad things generally happen especially to those who don't believe the way the mixers do.

Last night the Oscars gave out a number of awards to folks who think cattle are holy. I did not notice any of them suggesting people from Kansas stop the innocent slaughter of one of Gods creatures. How would that go over here ?

The insinuation that ANY of us are not Catholic enough, or Jewish enough or American loving enough is not made to incite us to pray harder to God, it is made to incite us to pray harder to someone else. In this case it is Sam and his PAC.

How possibly can someone pretend to be "more Catholic" and in any way support increased killing in other countries ?

Especially with made up evidence; you do know that with the small exception of those crazy `Rs the rest of the known galaxy believe the wmds were a pretext - why else Valerie Plame ?

You can not be for more "religion" and 30 minutes later be for bombing the snot out of innocent lives 8000 miles away.

Our religious minded founding fathers mixed politics and religious and gave the world this great country!
And what do you mean "increased killing in other countries"? Are you talking about that madman Saddam Hussein?
I support our government making the world a safer place instead of letting terrorists do whatever they please whether it be terrorist groups or terrorist leaders of rogue states.

that had NOTHING to do with the attack on America, a country that DID NOT HAVE WMDs (no matter how hard you wish they did) make the world a better place? How does killing innocent people make the world a better place?

And since when is it the responsibility of the USA to spend $720 million a day to "make the world a better place"?

Who would Jesus kill, Dan?

"The Catholic Church Is about understanding the difference between right and wrong."

True. But that statement applies to a whole range of issues beyond abortion and homosexuality you twit.

It is stupidity like this that made me leave the Church a while back. Every few years I check back in. I can't say this encourages me to go back.

The RCC of my childhood is dead.

Went to a funeral just a week or so ago at a Catholic Church and saw postcards in every pew, literally hundreds of them, addressed to DC reps, asking them not to vote for FOCA.

In the vestibule, over in the corner, on a little table, shoved where most people would walk by without even seeing it, was a collection box for Little Sisters of the Poor. That is the RCC of my childhood. How sad the focus of the church is on political issues and not on outreach to the poor. I found the placement of this collection box compared to the FOCA postcards rather symbolic.

And until the RCC once again pays more attention to The Beautitudes than to hot button political issues, quite a few of us will call ourselves former members.

Reading our good wingnut friend Dan Breyer is very enlightening. He knows a history of the US that I don't.

Our religious minded founding fathers mixed politics and religious and gave the world this great country!

Wow! That is news to me. The first Amendment expressing prohibits government from establishing a religion and there is an article in the Constitution that expressly prohibits ANY religious test for office.

In an alternate universe, one might think this is mixing politics and religion, but in this universe it sure doesn't.

"I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians."

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."

"Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?"

Who said this?

"Tell your boss what you think of him, and the truth shall set you free."

our supposed former Social Studies teacher doesn't know who said the quotes I posted. Cause he would have answered if he did know.

Sadly.

Adams & Jefferson quotes about religion??? Yep, I shared those two with many public high school students. Students still come back and say, "Mr. Jeetz, thanks for sharing those quotes with us. It has changed our lives."

Can a quote be both famous and obscure? So I have been told!

Leave it to Liberal Socialist to come up with them. She reminds me of this famous obscure quote...

...a brain all dressed up with no where to go.

This is from your patron saint, Lib Soc. (smile)

He said that about college students, but the world now knows he was talking about himself.

Woo-wee, was he ever!

... not just governor? Or just Archbishop of Topeka? And is he also planning to ban birth control in Kansas (another Church doctrine)?

Seriously, follow his logic and JFK was wrong: No "Catholic" can or should be elected to office, because his decisions on public policy (not just private action) would be dictated by Rome.

Freedom of Choice is no different than Freedom of Speech. You may choose -- for your own religious reasons -- not to blaspheme, but you are prohibited by our Constitution from hanging blasphemers -- as was done in Protestant Scotland, for example, until after 1700. Our Founders understood that Freedom of Religion means Freedom from Religion.

It is important to remember that the Right of Privacy did not begin with abortion. It was first used to strike down a Connecticut law banning birth control -- a law that the Catholic church had the political power to enforce.

Nothing more dangerous than a Catholic convert.

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